The secret way out: Inside the world of sovereign citizens

What if your mortgage was illegal, your taxes were voluntary and you could simply opt out of the law? Sovereign citizens believe they’ve discovered a hidden legal system that can set them free from the state. Outlawed explores the strange world of pseudolaw, and what its rise tells us about trust, power and the law. Guest: Harry Hobbs, Associate Professor in the Faculty of Law and Justice at the University of New South Wales, co-author with Stephen Young, of Outlawed: Responding to the Global Rise of Sovereign Citizens and legal conspiracies published on August 18, 2026. Producer: Ali Benton