Not Even Past (w/ Jamelle Bouie)

From the never-ending culture war over the New York Times 's 1619 Project to arguments about the Black Lives Matter protests to President Trump's promise to Make American Great Again, today's political conflicts reflect, to an extraordinary degree, disagreements over the meaning of American history. Jamelle Bouie's New York Times column is one of the places where these lively debates are most effectively narrated and clarified. Bouie joins Matt and Sam to help make sense of how history, historiography, and politics relate to each other—or at least, how they should. Along the way, the conversation takes up slavery and capitalism, Afro-pessimism and Marxism, and (a frequent preoccupation of the podcast) what left-wing patriotism might look like. Further Reading: Jamelle Bouie, " Beyond White Fragility ," NY Times , June 26, 2020. Jamelle Bouie, " Why Juneteenth Matters ," NY Times , June 18, 2020. Sam Adler-Bell, " The Remnant and the Restless Crowd ," Commonweal , Aug 1, 2018. Vinson Cunningham, " The Argument of Afropessimism ," New Yorker , July 20, 2020 Nikole Hannah-Jones, “ Our Democracy’s Founding Ideals Were False When They Were Written. Black Americans Have Fought to Make Th…