Does the Church Get Modesty Wrong? Dr. Sandra Richter & Noël Tsoukalas

Sep 3, 2026 · 1h 17m

What does the Bible really mean by modesty, and why have Christian conversations about clothing so often produced shame, especially for women and teenage girls? Dr. Sandra Richter is a renown biblical scholar, author, and professor of Old Testament at Westmont College. The 2nd edition of her killer book, The Epic of Eden, releases in November 2026. Sandy is also a faithful mom, and one of her daughters, Noël Tsoukalas, joins us in this conversation about modesty. Noël is a Pop singer-songwriter and worship leader. She made a name for herself on Season 21 of American Idol, where she received a golden ticket and three “yeses” from celebrity judges Katy Perry, Lionel Richie, and Luke Bryan. Check out her music on Spotify! 00:00:00 “Your Outfit Is Causing My Husband to Stumble” 00:06:55 Sandy & Noel on Modesty and Purity Culture 00:12:50 How the Church Has Mishandled Modesty 00:18:10 Sandy’s Experience with Christian Dress Codes 00:21:26 When Modesty Culture Makes Girls’ Bodies “Public Property” 00:27:21 The Billy Graham Rule and Women in Church Leadership 00:32:21 What Does Biblical Modesty Actually Look Like? 00:36:18 Body Shaming and Modesty in the Church 00:38:26 Teaching Girls to…

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