How Demographics Will Break the Bond Market | Manoj Pradhan

In Episode 481 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with economist and Talking Heads Macroeconomics founder Manoj Pradhan about his and Charles Goodhart's new book, The Unanchored Central Banker, which argues that structural forces—aging demographics chief among them—are driving real interest rates persistently higher, deteriorating fiscal positions across the developed world, and ultimately forcing central banks to choose between monetary stability and accommodating the political demands of indebted governments. The first hour lays out the foundations of Manoj and Charles's thesis. They discuss why an aging population and a shrinking workforce put structural upward pressure on real interest rates through two primary channels: (1) rising public debt issuance to cover unfunded liabilities like healthcare and Social Security, and (2) persistent demand for new housing construction that competes for the same limited pool of savings as the elderly delay vacating their homes. They examine how other spending pressures—from defense and climate to digital infrastructure and data center buildouts—compound the fiscal problem, why Manoj expects this to eventually produce a regime of financ…